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Usefully for Vance, his British friend is also a defender of some of the veep candidate’s more provocative views. “I think there is a sort of link between the sort of ‘tech bro’ side of JD and the ‘trad bro’ side — that sort of intellectual fertility and civilizational confidence that cultural fertility is actually tied up with. Demographers think that there is an empirical connection and notice that highly religious communities that are confident about the future will tend to have more babies.”

Vance, he noted, takes a keen interest in British politics. Orr revealed that he may have encouraged Vance’s outspoken remark that the U.K. has become the first “truly Islamist country that will get a nuclear weapon” now that Labour is in power. 

“He was very eager to know what had happened in the election and why the Tories had failed so miserably,” Orr said. “We talked at one point about the five independent members of parliament who effectively won on a Gaza ticket, and maybe he clocked that, and perhaps that was the context of his remark closing the National Conservatism conference.”

“It was said jokingly in front of a few hundred conservatives … I don’t think he expected it to be brandished around as an attempt to undermine the special relationship.” 

Orr last met Vance in Washington in July, just days before he became Trump’s running mate and a few weeks after the U.K. general election.

He denied rumors that the Trump camp is hostile to U.K. Prime Minister Keir Starmer’s top team: “He thinks very highly of [Foreign Minister] David Lammy and thinks he’s somebody that he could work with.”

He added that “JD would get on very well with the Labour government. I think he’s often unfairly characterized as an isolationist when it comes to foreign policy, and that’s simply not true. He’s a realist of the old school.”

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